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cherbtoo wrote:
Is this what you had in mind Eleanor? Let me know if you want any additions/alterations making.
Yes, nice summary - good job! This gives us a nice concise list of what happened when.
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cesse47 wrote:...The WE can't be Rose ... she didn't arrive until journal entry 21 or 22
There are only 20 numbered entries. Some of the entries have multiple dates; the summary from cherbtoo is by date, rather than entry #.
Rose Somerset's arrival is recorded in Entry #14, which has an opening date of 14 July 1895.
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Snugs76 wrote:
Poodlebear wrote:
Entry #20 – Today
My Only Hope
I have watched you move about
this dark place for some time now,
inspecting various items around the
house. You carry what remains of
my diary! We were both lost
long ago and you must listen, for I
have little time!
Oooh! Hadn't noticed that before! Who is we? I *assume* she means Rose but...? Interesting.
What I think that particular quote is referring to is Emma herself and the diary itself. If you look at how it's worded.
You carry what remains of my diary. We were both lost long ago....
It probably refers to Emma and the diary
Oh, yeah, I think you're totally right, my bad,  I'm sure this is what's meant on re-read. Since this is long after the fact and she mentions the diary in the sentence before. Good catch. See this is what happens when ya get so caught up in a story you start imagining things.
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prpldva wrote:Re: entry 20-
What's creepy is that she supposedly wrote that entry before she died. How did she know we would come to help? Is her ability to see into the future the link to Madame Fate?
No, that entry says TODAY as the date and the picture is her as a ghost. I blieve it is her message from beyond, not that she wrote it before being killed:
Entry #20 – Today
My Only Hope
I have watched you move about
this dark place for some time now,
inspecting various items around the
house. You carry what remains of
my diary! We were both lost
long ago and you must listen, for I
have little time!
I have been trapped here for so
long and you are my only hope
to break free of this horrible
place. Please listen and do as I
say before HE returns!
HE keeps me in the cellar, but
you must look beyond the brick
and mortar.
The last locked door requires
seven skeleton keys which are
hidden throughout the house.
Without your help, I can never
go home.
- Emma Ravenhearst
It is her imploring you, the detective, from beyond the grave to solve the last puzzle and release her.
Edited on 10/15/2008 at 3:03:05 AM PST
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Poodlebear wrote:
prpldva wrote:Re: entry 20-
What's creepy is that she supposedly wrote that entry before she died. How did she know we would come to help? Is her ability to see into the future the link to Madame Fate?
No, that entry says TODAY as the date and the picture is her as a ghost. I blieve it is her message from beyond, not that she wrote it before being killed:
Entry #20 – Today
My Only Hope
I have watched you move about
this dark place for some time now,
inspecting various items around the
house. You carry what remains of
my diary! We were both lost
long ago and you must listen, for I
have little time!
I have been trapped here for so
long and you are my only hope
to break free of this horrible
place. Please listen and do as I
say before HE returns!
HE keeps me in the cellar, but
you must look beyond the brick
and mortar.
The last locked door requires
seven skeleton keys which are
hidden throughout the house.
Without your help, I can never
go home.
- Emma Ravenhearst
It is her imploring you, the detective, from beyond the grave to solve the last puzzle and release her.
Ahhh. thanks Poodlebear, I missed that.
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BUMP! like a sound in the night!
Edited on 10/16/2008 at 5:15:37 PM PST
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![[Post New]](/templates/wanda/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) by AnnBy on Oct 16, 08 5:57 PM
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Can we have this moved to the Ravenhearst are so we don't keep on losing it?
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I think it's good for us to just bump the thread up every so often to keep our brains fresh... 
cesse47 wrote:I don't remember a location being mentioned for the circus.
Someone mentioned (over on PPBrain ) "Toledo" on the bus near the entrance. I also noticed yesterday that inside the bus is a note that says "Toledo" and something about "last stop"(?)
Since the bus is there, I think that's a fair indication that the final resting place for Madame Fate's Carnival is Toledo.
Probably Toledo, OH , since everything is in English instead of Castillian Spanish... 
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incrediblyviolet wrote:Emma was from Iowa
I found the bus at the entrance with Toledo on the destination light - hadn't paid much attention to it the first time I played it.
Don't remember the paper.....must go back and look....
there is a Toledo, Iowa...
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I strongly think, at this point, there is no real indication there is a connection between the Carnival and Ravenhearst. At the end of Madame Fate she states that the evil that was coming to do her in is doing so because it followed you there. Madame Fate was going to reveal something about what happed, or was going to happen, at Ravenhearst, as she was doing her fortune teller thing for you, the detective. There are 8 (I think) cards on the table and she has only been able to turn 3 of them (a spy glass, a raven and a rose) when the evil spirit Charles(?) kills her to stop her from revealing more.
Now I *think* somewhere it was stated there is a newpaper at the carnival from 1954? Madame Fate definitly looks old eniough to have been a young woman in 1895 (though when she foretells of her sons demise she says, "I can always have more"?), but from the dialog in Madame Fate there is nothing to indicate a connection.
This could well change though, as they need to make the new story work, the "sequel syndrome" of manipulation of facts already presented.
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by AnnBy on Oct 17, 08 4:22 PM
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Hmmmmm, very interesting.
That would tie Madame fate into Ravenhearst as far as where the carnival was at......but anything else. I haven't played Madame Fate yet, just the demo time.
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I cant remember and could be mistaken, but doesn't Madame Fate mention something about "rose" in the last part of the game? After I finished Ravenhearst the first time and we found Emma I always wondered what became of Rose? The game never mentions her again, unless my memory fails.
I cant help but also wonder (being the conspiracy theorist I am) if Rose and Charles were "together" on driving Emma crazy? That would explain why her dairy says things like, "Rose Claims" or "Rose says". But, I am unsure of a motive on that one and that wouldnt explain why Charles had an "Emma shine" in his basement. I do believe that we will see in Return that Rose wasnt the kind friend to Emma that we think she was. I could be wrong...but we'll have to wait and see and I hope we dont have to wait to awful long!!
Edited on 10/22/2008 at 10:23:29 AM PST
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by AnnBy on Oct 22, 08 10:01 AM
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Rose isn't mentioned again, although I had wondered if one of the voices was hers.
I haven't played Madame Fate through yet, so can't comment on that yet.
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